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Change name of Nenzians Tribe      05.01.2011 23:34:30 --- 1 Year, 4 Months ago  
We Nenzians propose to change name of our tribe from Nenzians to Samoyed it made from russian word mean self-eater (cannibal). It sounds better and is more historically correct. We want change our tribe organization as well:
Siberian tribes had totemic/clan organization. The main was Tribe. Then it was two Fratries (made from latin Frater meaning brother) or Moieties /Halfs. After that they had totem groups (clans) and lowers were totems.
Now we have:
Locum
Archon
Protector
Warior

Thats not fit to the tribal structure of Siberian tribes so we propose:
Instead of:

Locum: Shaman
Archon: Tribe Chieftain
Protector: Clan Elder(maybe Chief or Chieftain will be more correct but we want to have one "Chief" in tribe)
Warrior: Hero (We will be happy if you change to hero for example Ewenks tribe used hero instead of warrior)

Crest: No change

Name of tribe: Samoyed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoyeds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoyedic_languages

I couldn't find more in internet. Most of informations I took from polish science literature about Siberian tribes.


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Re:Change name of Nenzians Tribe      06.01.2011 01:42:56 --- 1 Year, 4 Months ago  
True. I never heard of Nenzians but of Samoyed I did ...


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Re:Change name of Nenzians Tribe      06.01.2011 08:02:53 --- 1 Year, 4 Months ago  
Nenzen is the german name for Nenets

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The Nenets are an indigenous people in Russia. According to the latest census in 2002, there are 41,302 Nenets in the Russian Federation, most of them living in the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug and Nenets Autonomous Okrug. They speak either the Tundra or Forest varieties of Nenets.


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Due to a false etymology,[1] the name Samoyed entered the Russian language as a corruption of the self-reference Saamod, Saamid (the Samoyedic suffix "-d" denotes plurality). In Russian ethnographic literature of the 19th century, they were also called (samoyad', samod', samodijtsy, samodijskie narody) which was often transliterated into English as Samodi.

The literal morphs samo and yed in Russian convey the meaning "self-eater", which appears as derogatory. Therefore the name Samoyed quickly went out of usage in the 20th century, and the people bear the name of Nenets, which means "man".

When reading old Russian documents, it is necessary to keep in mind that the term Samoyed' was often applied indiscriminately to different peoples of Northern Siberia who speak related Uralic languages: Nenets, Nganasans, Enets, Selkups (speakers of Samoyedic languages). Currently, the term "Samoyedic peoples" applies to the whole group of different peoples. It is the general term which includes the Nenets, Enets, Selkup, and Nganasan peoples.

Nenets are just a part of the Samoyedic peoples. Sometimes their name is spelled as Nenet because of the erroneous assumption that the terminal 's' is for the plural number.


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Re:Change name of Nenzians Tribe      06.01.2011 08:08:42 --- 1 Year, 4 Months ago  
About change the titles, the proposal seems accurate to me:

Archon - Chieftain

Locum - Shaman

Protector - Elder

Warrior - Hero

No need to say Tribe Chieftain because Chieftain means Chief of the Tribe.


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Re:Change name of Nenzians Tribe      06.01.2011 08:40:31 --- 1 Year, 4 Months ago  
But we want to be canibals and Nenets was't in use to XX century to today most of Russian use Samoyed not Nenets.


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Re:Change name of Nenzians Tribe      07.01.2011 09:58:24 --- 1 Year, 4 Months ago  
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Protector - Elder

We would like this to be Clan Elder.

We are interested in creating clans within our tribe for a deeper role-play and game-play experience. Each clan will be "ruled" by a Clan Elder. Our warriors will be divided into these clans and will likely end up fighting together in armies.

We haven't made final decisions on how the clans will function, but Elder won't work for us as well as Clan Elder will.
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Re:Change name of Nenzians Tribe      08.01.2011 05:18:40 --- 1 Year, 4 Months ago  
General policy is to use one word for the names (nations, ranks..), but if Hoern who have the final word will approve Clan Elder for Protector, in the light of your last observation, it will be done as you ask it.

Good luck in creating the clans then!


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Re:Change name of Nenzians Tribe      08.01.2011 08:19:49 --- 1 Year, 4 Months ago  
Okay. Thanks for your input. We are happy to abide by Hoern's decision.
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Re:Change name of Nenzians Tribe      08.01.2011 12:37:32 --- 1 Year, 4 Months ago  
Normally it is for the Council to decide the titles....
...and then for the Tech-Mods or someone of the Council to inform me....


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Re:Change name of Nenzians Tribe      08.01.2011 17:36:32 --- 1 Year, 4 Months ago  
I'm sorry, didn't know the Knight's Council is back in place.

Regarding the proposal, Tech Team will forward to you the form agreed:

Archon - Chieftain

Locum - Shaman

Protector - Elder

Warrior - Hero

We just wonder if you accept a derogation from the general rule in case of Elder title for Protector,
Nenzians ask for Clan Elder instead.


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